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John,

I know you believe that GM has quite a bit of value can be unlocked. What do you think of Ford? It too has a strong financial arm, has 100B less in debt, lower Enterprise Value/EBITDA ratio, etc.. just seems to me so much more fundamentally sound than GM. It's approaching its 5-year low, I am not techie, but it's gotta be a support price point there. i think i'll stop before i talk myself into buying Ford. I haven't developed the iron stomach for digesting stocks in ugly situation yet

Javasoy,

I don't know nearly as much about F as GM -- and I'm sure there are plenty of folks thinking I must not know ANYTHING if I've bought GM! ;-)

I believe that Brandes Investment Partners (a big value firm) is one of F's biggest shareholders (they also own a bunch of GM), so some smart people must find value in the shares.

Bottom line: I don't own it, but if that changes, you'll read it here.

What is it about value investors that make them attracted to structural bankruptcies?

The margin of GM is plus or minus 2 per cent.

The margin of Toyota is 10 per cent.

If Toyota wanted to it could destroy GM in a matter of months by shaving 5% off price. Then GM's margin would be minus 7%.

Toyota does not want to. That is the ONLY reason why GM is not bankrupt right now.

But there is more than one Toyota in this world. Hyundai is setting up plants in North America on Toyota principals with Toyota pay rates. Hyundai will price against Toyota. Toyota will price against Hyundai.

GM will not be a factor in their decisions - just a victim.

I see you also own Fairfax which is a lay down misere zero.

As I say - what is it about value investors.

If you just removed the stuff-ups you would do extraordinarily well.

The thing about Buffett is he removes the stuff ups.

Alan

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