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February 16, 2006

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Good luck on CBS, funny because its something I've been looking at also. Very cheap stock with great cash flow and a management team that's interested in returning cash to shareholders in the form of stock buybacks and increased dividends. What's not to like?

Earvin,

Many thanks for wishing me luck on this. You wished me luck with DECK and it turned out fine, so I'd like to see the same with CBS.

CBS looks to me like a stock with very litle downside. Anything can happen in the short term, of course, but I think someone can buy it today and forget about it. Then mark your calendar for 3 or 4 years from now and see a decent gain. Yet who knows?

Thanks for a nice post. I also recommended a purchase of CBS. Earnings are expected to be announced next week and I hope the company's value will become apparent to the market.

I am curious why you wouldn't wait until after the next quarterly report on Feb 23, considering the real risk is that it is dead money, and might trade down on any report as other holders who participated pre-break up want to only own the "sexier" MTV business?

Milind,

Thanks for your kind words. I, too, want/believe CBS' true value will be realized by the market. But I'm not expecting it right away (I never do).

JT,

You're right. There is a risk that, depending on the results announced, CBS could trade down. Or up for that matter. But I'm looking at this as a 3-5 year play, so what happens in the short term isn't too much of a concern, though I realized that could be to my detriment.

John,

I'm not seeing where CBS is trading at .5x book value.

I show they have ~800 million shares outstanding. With a current price of ~$25/share that equates to $20 billion.

Per the Registration Statement filed on 2/1/2006 they have $30 billion in book value for Pro Forma CBS.

As a double check, I looked at both Merrill Lynch and Morningstar and they show Market Cap around $20 billion (which foots with the Registration Statement).

Could you clarify?

Thanks,
Ryan

Ryan,

The figures stated in the post were obtained from WSJ.com, which they get from Reuters, and are dated 9/30/05. I meant to say that and forgot -- so thanks for reminding me.

John,

Thanks for the reply.

The WSJ numbers are for the whole company prior to the spin-off. I don't know where the WSJ is getting their share count number from, though. There's ~800 million shares out, not 419.

I don't have an opinion on CBS one way or the other (it looks interesting and worth more digging).

But, I was confused about the numbers, thanks for clarifying.

-Ryan


Just to fllow up one last time.

I don't think you're doing a service to your readers by leaving erroneous information up on your blog.

You didn't purchase CBS at .5 times book value (leaving aside for a moment that almost 100% of book value is goodwill), nor is CBS at a $10 billion market cap (it's $20 billion).

Which further throws off your price to sales ratio.

You imply their revenue is close to $20 billion, but it's probably closer to $15 billion.

Rather than .45 times sales, you bought it more around ~1.35x sales.

None of this is meant to imply that it was a bad purchase, or that you won't do well going forward. I sincerely hope you do.

But, I also sincerely hope that you prefer that your blog contain accurate information.

Best,
Ryan

Ryan,

I certainly don't want anyone to get mislead by reading this blog. I will post your points in a separate posting.

I've re-checked WSJ.com and Barron's Online and they both jive with what I originally posted. They get their figures from Reuters. They readjust their per share figures every day, based on the closing price. I believe the figures they use from 9/30/05 are the parts of the business that became CBS. I do not believe they're using the entire Viacom business, pre-CBS spin off, for CBS.

I emailed Reuters about this and have not yet received a reply.

I also checked Morningstar this afternoon, and they showed CBS going for half of book value. I think the price-sales ratio was about what I had as well.

I do appreciate your comments, Ryan. And, again, I do not want to mislead readers. I'm REALLY glad the company is announcing results this week. :-)

John,

Thanks for the reply.

I know you're not intentionally trying to mislead anyone. I just wasn't sure if you were looking into the matter.

It seems that you are, which is great.

Part of the problem is that CBS is basically old Viacom (i.e. technically MTV etc. were carved out of what we are now calling CBS). So, a lot of these data services are taking their numbers from what was Viacom.

But, I could see exactly where the WSJ Online (or Reuters) was getting their 9/30/05 numbers from. And it was from the old Viacom. Which makes sense, that's what the last 10-Q reflected.

Essentially there are no numbers for these guys to pull from; other than the Registration statement filed in conjunction with the spin-off. But, there not set up to pull numbers from such filings.

And, even that Registration statement only had a nine months Income Statement for 2005 and no Statement of Cash Flows.

In a sense the data-providers are correct. CBS on 9/30/2005 had the book value that the WSJ and Morningstar are reflecting.

However, they carved out their cable and movie studio assets since then. So, the numbers being shown by them aren't relevant to investing in CBS today.

You can pull up an old Viacom 10-k and see that the numbers foot to what Morningstar is showing. Which is fine, it just isn't relevant to your investment going forward.

Guess it'll all be clear on Thursday ;-)

But, look for Sales on a trailing-twelve months basis to approximate $14-$15 billion and Shareholder's Equity to be about $30.5 billion plus/minus their net earnings and dividend for the 4th quarter.

See the filing dated 2/1/2006 labeled S-3ASR for some pro-forma statements. Or, for more in-depth info on the whole spin-off see the 11/23/2005 filing labeled S-4/A.

In any event, I hope you do well on the investment and I truly enjoy - and appreciate the time and effort put into - your blog.

Best,
Ryan

Thank YOU, Ryan. Comments and emails from knowledgeable pros like you make this a wonderful experience.

what is the difference between CBS class A shares and class B? Other than voting rights? Is one more valuable...is one better to invest in than the other?

William,

Most media-related companies have two classes of shares, with one class having more (or total) voting privileges. Sometimes one class (usually the non-voting class) trades at slight discount.

I own the CBS Class B and am comfortable doing so. If someone wanted to own the Class A shares, or divide their CBS holding across both classes, I couldn't see a problem with that.

Thanks for reading.

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