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July 12, 2007

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Aiful and Takefuji have sold off about 10% in the past week or so. In general I agree that they could be bargains but am concerned about my own lack of information and limited ability to check up on the stocks.

Do you have any idea what is happening there to cause the selloff? Has anything changed?

saresh: I feel your pain. But these are not going to pop up suddenly. These are long term plays. Both have good English-language websites. You can get current price quotes on Bloomberg for free. Aiful's ADR is traded OTC, and the quote is updated daily after market close.

Well timed sir, Promise is apparently in discussions to merge with Sanyo Shinpan. Personally of the big four Japanese consumer finance firms I think Promise is the nicer bet but I agree with your thesis that the industry is in for reorganization... some deals have already happened in Dec - SBI holdings bought an unlisted Kyoto lender for about 0.6 book.

Eddie: Thanks for the kind words. But it's way too early to start popping corks. I think this is more of a 2008 story, though I'd love to be proved wrong. :-)

This from the 2nd quarter Tweedy Browne shareholder letter...

"For instance, we sold our shares in Takefuji, the Japanese consumer finance company, at roughly a 23% loss from our original cost. Japanese regulators were able to successfully lower the ceiling
on interest rates that these finance companies could charge their customers, thus clouding their earnings prospects going forward."

I think one factor you may want to look at here is that Japanese mega-bank SMFG has a 20% stake in Promise and using Promise as its bridgehead it can undertake M&A in the sector and gain mkt share. A no. of other megabanks have also been doing capital injections into the lenders - MUFG & JACCs is one example.

the great hope for these companies is that they can expand into the mid-tier consumer lending to make up for the loss of sub-prime business. I wonder do they have the brand strength to take on the banks in this area, my impression is that they are not viewed that highly within the middle classes.

John or Anybody knows what is causing this price collapse?

svd: A smaller rival of Aiful filed for bankruptcy last week, hurting all the consumer lenders. And a credit card firm has announced it will post a loss, furthering investor sentiment against the consumer lenders. (You can get these stories by searching Bloomberg and Reuters.) I'm still holding Aiful and Takefuji, because I think they're a 2008, 2009 story. But I'm certainly taking it on the chin for now.

Thanks John,
I read about credia and JCB and Mitsh. UFJ during the week, but other then that I couldn't find anything else. The august 07 data from aifly(and takefuji) doesn't look that bad. Looks like this is an overreaction. I just wanted to make sure that I am not missing anything other then credia news.
thanks again.

svd: I agree it's an overreaction.

John,
what do you think about CEO and relatives buying(or diluting) ~20% of the stake? I see good and bad- CEO putting his money and captial ratio will be around 20%. But then they are diluting current investor and they may not be getting any money from market. I would like to get your take on it.

svd: I'm still digesting it. Like you, I see good and bad. I like the top guy putting his own money in, but don't care for the shareholder dilution. FFH did something dilutive a while back but that hasn't hurt at all over the long term. Of course, FFH and AIFLY may be an apples and oranges comparison.

It's always nice when the execs are buying, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything these days...

Hi John,
What do you think about Lehman's comment that aiful parent may be insolvent due to npa. I checked the 2008 financial info from their website, nothing on non performing assets to varify.
svd

svd: Bloomberg reports that an Aiful spokesperson saying they're not having any trouble accessing funds, but won't comment on the Lehman thing directly.

Aiful (and Takefuji) have certainly been disappointing for me.

John,
Any idea for the further slide? I don't see anything in the news. Funding problem? The last bad news I see about bonds and funding is from http://www.jcr.co.jp/english/top_cont/rat_info04.php?no=08d0475a
Looks like someboday is dumping the equity big time.
Thanks,
svd

svd: No, I haven't seen anything. Usually the Bloomberg site has good info, but nothing new last I checked. I tend to believe that if financials get hit at all, Aiful gets slammed. Also, you may be on to something with regards to major stockholders dumping shares. Wish I knew more.

Any idea why this thing is dropping everyday?I am down 90% now.

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