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January 13, 2008

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How soft or hard are the markets that Millea is writing in? In the US we have had a softening of standard lines for some time. More recently, specialty lines have been softening and we are now reading that reinsurance rates have declined for the upcoming season.

Where are we in the cycle in the markets in which Millea operates?

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jr: Yeah, we're heading into a less favorable cycle for property & casualty insurers and reinsurers. But Millea is going for less than book because it's doing business in a low growth market. I believe management's move to grow the business (outside Japan) and buy back shares indicates they are committed to growing shareholder value. Yet I may be wrong about that, and wrong in giving that more weight than the insurance cycle.

Only one 2 star plus mutual fund bought MLEAY recently and that was Purisima Total Return fund. The report is at: http://www.thebuylist.com/default.aspx?Stock=mleay

BuyList: Are you just tracking the ADRs? Or both ADRs in the US and ordinary shares (common shares) trading in Japan? As I've said previously to another commenter, the ADRs are not as liquid as the ordinary shares in Japan.

I like this Millea, but I think that you are overestimating book value. In the Sept report they have 5600 Yen per share in stocks, by my calculation. The Nikkei was around 16,000 at that point which would knock 1000 Yen per share off of book value - almost $10. I think it is slightly above book, which maybe means it is no more expensive than many US companies and a nice play on the Nikkei if that's you're thing.

"it is no more expensive than many US companies" should mean many US P&C insurance companies.

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